I would like to think so . . . I speak to women who think that things have certainly
gotten better in legal education since
I was in practice. But are we all the way
there yet? Certainly not.
What steps do you think we need to take
to get there?
It’s like all the rules for how we deal
with women in the workplace were kind
of made up when there weren’t many
women in the workplace. So I think it’s
going to take drastic changes in how
we think about accommodating fami-
lies in the workplace. We’re starting to
see that, but I know, for example, that
while many firms and companies offer
paternity leave for men when they have
a new child, very few men actually take
advantage of that for more than a week
or two. And women continue to [take
advantage of the full time] because they
basically have to recover from pregnancy
and childbirth. And then if they want an
extended leave, then what does that do to
their competitive advantage? Does it put
them at a competitive disadvantage in
the workplace? And as far as I can tell, in
many places it still does.
What do you tell students who are
choosing law schools? What do you tell
them about Gonzaga?
I ask . . . what are they looking for in a law
school, because Gonzaga is a small law
school. It is not for everyone. If you want
the kind of a law school where nobody
knows who you are and you can sort of
pass through anonymously, this would
not be a good fit for you. If you are so competitive that you’d be the kind of person
who would take things out of the library
so other students wouldn’t have access
to it, this would not be a good place for
you. And if you are afraid of getting your
feet wet, well, maybe this would be the
place for you, because we have required
experiential learning and that differentiates us from every other law school in
the United States. You either have to do
an externship or work in the clinic. For
some people, learning from a book and in
the classroom is great. For other people,
that experiential learning is life-chang-ing. Students who are afraid of speaking
might shy away from experiential learning, but they’re the ones who absolutely
should do it. And here, we don’t give them
a choice. They’ve got to do it in one form
Do you think that other law schools will
follow Gonzaga’s lead on this?
They already are. One of the things I
found out when I started interviewing for deanships was that Gonzaga
changed its curriculum and started requiring experiential learning in 2009,
way before anybody else started even
thinking about it. The sad thing is nobody really knew about it . . . we needed
to do a better job of telling our story. And
we are now. I think that other schools already are following our lead.
Now, you’re also going to adopt a two-
year program, correct?
Yes, but calling it a two-year program
is a little bit misleading. You will be out
in 24 calendar months, but it’s the same
education as the three-year program.
We’re referring to it as an accelerated
program. Students will start in the sum-
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